Evidence Based Birth®

Curious if prenatal perineal massage actually works to prevent tears during childbirth? In this episode, Dr. Rebecca Dekker examines the evidence on perineal massage in late pregnancy, separating fact from fiction and sharing what the research really shows. You’ll learn what major studies say about perineal massage, why some commonly cited research may not be trustworthy, and whether this practice is truly necessary, especially if you’re in a birth setting with low episiotomy rates. You’ll also hear some surprising insights on other ways to protect your perineum and reduce your risk of severe tears.

Content note: Discussion of perineal tears during childbirth, severe tears, and episiotomy.

(06:14) Evaluating Perineal Massage Evidence
(08:32) Comprehensive Perineal Massage Meta-Analysis
(11:20) Perineal Massage Study Bias Concerns
(16:04) Double-Blind Study on Episiotomy Rates
(20:09) Perineal Massage vs. Control Outcomes
(24:44) Study Bias and Participant Dropouts
(28:11) Research Fraud: Doubts on Dönmez Study
(33:53) Trial Bias in Perineal Massage Study
(35:57) Perineal Massage Study Bias Concerns
(40:43) Effectiveness of the EPI-NO® Device
 
Resources

For more information about Evidence Based Birth® and a crash course on evidence based care, visit www.ebbirth.com. Follow us on Instagram and YouTube! Ready to learn more? Grab an EBB Podcast Listening Guide or read Dr. Dekker's book, "Babies Are Not Pizzas: They're Born, Not Delivered!" If you want to get involved at EBB, join our Professional Membership (scholarship options available) and get on the wait list for our EBB Instructor program. Find an EBB Instructor here, and click here to learn more about the EBB Childbirth Class.

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Sophie Walker, host of the Australian Birth Stories podcast and author of The Complete Australian Guide to Pregnancy and Birth and The Complete Guide to Postpartum: A Mother-Focused Companion for Life After Birth, joins Dr. Rebecca Dekker to explore what it really takes to plan for a nourishing postpartum experience and the challenges and strengths of the Australian birth system. Sophie shares how a traumatic first birth sparked her passion for informed decision-making, why continuity of midwifery care matters, and how her country’s publicly funded postpartum home visits and mothers’ groups create critical support networks. Together, Sophie and Dr. Dekker unpack the postpartum cliff that so many new parents face, discuss how to prepare mentally, emotionally, and physically for life after birth, and offer tips on everything from pelvic floor recovery to sleep expectations to navigating newborn feeding.
 
(02:28) Sophie’s Birth Story and What She Learned from Trauma
(06:07) Why Listening to Birth Stories Can Be a Powerful Tool
(09:25) Models of Maternity Care in Australia
(13:10) Strengths and Gaps in the Australian System
(17:33) Midwifery Burnout and Access Issues
(20:32) Rise of Doulas and Student Midwives
(25:03) Postpartum Home Visits and Maternal Health Nurses
(29:51) Mistakes to Avoid When Planning for Postpartum
(35:01) Pelvic Floor Recovery, Lactation Support, and Mental Health
(42:04) Infant Sleep: Expectations vs. Reality
(46:49) Balancing Birth and Postpartum Prep
(48:26) Making a Mental Health Safety Net
(51:33) Listening to a Range of Birth Stories—Even the Hard Ones
 
Resources
Explore Sophie’s podcast and books: australianbirthstories.com
Follow Sophie on Instagram: @australianbirthstories
 
For more information about Evidence Based Birth® and a crash course on evidence based care, visit www.ebbirth.com. Follow us on Instagram and YouTube! Ready to learn more? Grab an EBB Podcast Listening Guide or read Dr. Dekker's book, "Babies Are Not Pizzas: They're Born, Not Delivered!" If you want to get involved at EBB, join our Professional membership (scholarship options available) and get on the wait list for our EBB Instructor program. Find an EBB Instructor here, and click here to learn more about the EBB Childbirth Class.
 
 

Leah Van Dale, former WWE superstar known as Carmella and founder of the women’s health platform Snatch©️, joins Dr. Rebecca Dekker to share her deeply personal story of postpartum recovery after a traumatic birth injury. Leah opens up about her journey through multiple pregnancy losses, the decision to hire a doula, and how the Evidence Based Birth® Childbirth Class helped her prepare for her first birth. She shares the emotional and physical challenges of a long labor, including an undiagnosed nerve injury that left her unable to walk properly for months postpartum. Now pregnant again, Leah reflects on what she’s learned, how it shaped her career path, and why she’s passionate about building an honest, empowering community for women.
 
(02:55) Leah’s Journey Through Loss and Into Pregnancy
(05:20) Why She Chose to Hire a Doula
(07:50) Taking the EBB Childbirth Class
(09:39) Leah’s Long and Unexpected Birth Story
(16:11) Postpartum Depletion and Early Red Flags
(22:31) The Long Road to a Diagnosis
(25:35) How the Injury Affected Her Career
(28:30) Creating Snatch: A Space for Honest Conversations
(32:54) Free Resources and Courses Through Snatch
(35:08) Advice for Those Preparing for Birth
 
To sign up for the EBB Summer Series, visit ebbirth.com/summer!
 
Resources:
Explore Snatch: snatch.co
Follow Leah on Instagram: @theleahvandale
Access our free guide on birthing positions: ebbirth.com/birthingpositions
 
For more information about Evidence Based Birth® and a crash course on evidence based care, visit www.ebbirth.com. Follow us on Instagram and YouTube! Ready to learn more? Grab an EBB Podcast Listening Guide or read Dr. Dekker's book, "Babies Are Not Pizzas: They're Born, Not Delivered!" If you want to get involved at EBB, join our Professional membership (scholarship options available) and get on the wait list for our EBB Instructor program. Find an EBB Instructor here, and click here to learn more about the EBB Childbirth Class.
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Licensed community midwife Grace Flannery and doctoral student Ihotu Ali, founder of the Oshun Center for Intercultural Healing, join Dr. Rebecca Dekker for a moving conversation about burnout, boundaries, and building sustainable birth work. Together, they explore the root causes of burnout in maternity care, from systemic extraction to internalized pressure, and how the path to healing lies in slowing down, reconnecting with purpose, and redefining productivity. Ihotu and Grace share the origin of their collaboration through the Sweetwater Alliance, the transformative “One Main Thing” meditation, and their four-part framework for reclaiming balance: Seasons, Smallify, Support, and Spirit. This episode is a heartfelt invitation to anyone holding space for others while feeling the weight of burnout.
 
(04:27) Grace and Ihotu’s Birth Work Journey
(07:54) The Roots of Burnout in Maternity Care
(13:19) Presence, Boundaries, and the Burnout Cycle
(18:33) Symptoms and Signs of Burnout
(27:06) The “Four S’s” Framework for Sustainable Practice
(30:08) Accountability, Rest, and Seasonal Rhythms
(38:21) The “One Main Thing” Meditation Practice
(44:28) Reconnecting with Purpose and Capacity
(58:51) Final Reflections on Slowing Down and Healing
 
To sign up for the EBB Summer Series, visit ebbirth.com/summer!
 
Resources
Learn more about the Oshun Center: oshuncenter.com
Follow Ihotu on Instagram: @ihotuali
Learn more about Trillium Midwifery Care: trilliummidwives.com
Follow Grace on Instagram: @midwifegracef
For a full list of resources, including links to the free One Main Thing Meditation, visit ebbirth.com
 
For more information about Evidence Based Birth® and a crash course on evidence based care, visit www.ebbirth.com. Follow us on Instagram and YouTube! Ready to learn more? Grab an EBB Podcast Listening Guide or read Dr. Dekker's book, "Babies Are Not Pizzas: They're Born, Not Delivered!" If you want to get involved at EBB, join our Professional membership (scholarship options available) and get on the wait list for our EBB Instructor program. Find an EBB Instructor here, and click here to learn more about the EBB Childbirth Class.
Direct download: EBB_364_with_edits.mp3
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From ICU to birth center, Liz Carr’s story is a reminder that midwives come to this work through many paths, and each journey holds wisdom for the future of maternal care.
 
In this episode, Dr. Rebecca Dekker reconnects with former nursing student turned certified nurse midwife, Liz Carr. Liz shares her unique trajectory: from critical care nursing to catching babies, from witnessing obstetric violence as a student to providing trauma-informed, evidence-based midwifery care. Liz and Rebecca explore the impact of diverse clinical experiences, the challenges of navigating midwifery school without labor and delivery experience, and the transformative power of reproductive justice. Liz also opens up about working in abortion care before and after the fall of Roe v. Wade, how she centers consent and autonomy in every interaction, and why investing in the education of future physicians is one of her biggest hopes for change.
 
Content Note: This episode contains discussion of obstetric violence (non-consented episiotomy) and providing abortion care.
 
(00:00) Liz Carr’s Journey from Nursing Student to Certified Nurse Midwife
(04:27) Early Inspiration and Moving to Kentucky
(08:02) Witnessing Harmful Obstetric Practices and Choosing a Different Path
(11:53) Gaining Lifesaving Skills as a Critical Care Nurse
(16:30) Transitioning from ICU Nurse to Birth Work through Doula Training
(21:24) Midwifery Education and Clinical Challenges
(25:39) Abortion Care Training at CHOICES Before and After Roe v. Wade
(32:46) Systemic Barriers and the Importance of Postpartum Support
(35:36) Most Memorable Births and Special Moments
(37:13) Teaching Medical Residents and Modeling Consent
(40:54) Advice for Aspiring Midwives and Navigating Career Choices
(45:01) Red Flags and Green Flags in Job Interviews
(48:04) When Slower Access to Surgery Leads to Better Birth Outcomes
 
To sign up for the EBB Summer Series, visit ebbirth.com/summer!
 
Resources
Read about the Turnaway Study
Check your hospital’s stats at the Leapfrog Hospital Safety Grade
Learn more about Frontier Nursing University
Get your copy of Babies Are Not Pizzas
 
For more information about Evidence Based Birth® and a crash course on evidence based care, visit www.ebbirth.com. Follow us on Instagram and YouTube! Ready to learn more? Grab an EBB Podcast Listening Guide or read Dr. Dekker's book, "Babies Are Not Pizzas: They're Born, Not Delivered!" If you want to get involved at EBB, join our Professional membership (scholarship options available) and get on the wait list for our EBB Instructor program. Find an EBB Instructor here, and click here to learn more about the EBB Childbirth Class.
Direct download: EBB_363_with_edits.mp3
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